if you enjoy a challenge, i recommend this book: mind the gap: how the jewish writings between the old and new testament help us understand jesus, by matthias henze.
fortress press.. one example from the book:.
while there are several individuals in the bible who are said to be anointed, the word “messiah” or “anointed one” is never used in the old testament to designate a future anointed redeemer figure.
Thanks, Magnum.
There is one book that I yearn for but it's expensive:
Companion to Ancient Israel (ed. Susan Niditch; Oxford: Wiley Blackwell, 2013).
The article that created my interest is by Mark Smith at Jismor 9.
http://www.cismor.jp/uploads-images/sites/3/2014/07/723615e7fc0170b6f8c05dd145dd429d4.pdf
Doug
if you enjoy a challenge, i recommend this book: mind the gap: how the jewish writings between the old and new testament help us understand jesus, by matthias henze.
fortress press.. one example from the book:.
while there are several individuals in the bible who are said to be anointed, the word “messiah” or “anointed one” is never used in the old testament to designate a future anointed redeemer figure.
If you enjoy a challenge, I recommend this book: Mind the Gap: How the Jewish Writings between the Old and New Testament Help Us Understand Jesus, by Matthias Henze. Fortress Press.
One example from the book:
While there are several individuals in the Bible who are said to be anointed, the word “messiah” or “anointed one” is never used in the Old Testament to designate a future anointed redeemer figure.
In other words, there are no texts in the Old Testament that know of the concept of a messiah as an awaited agent of God, a descendant of David who will appear to reign over a restored kingdom of Israel at the end of time. That concept of a future messiah was only developed in later times, after the Old Testament.
There are several “messiahs” in the Old Testament, to be sure, but they are not divine figures of the end of time. They are the kings, priests, and prophets of ancient Israel.
And yet, when Andrew tells his brother Simon Peter, “We have found the Messiah,” or when the Samaritan woman declares, “I know that the Messiah is coming,” they are not referring to an earthly king, priest, or prophet. They are expressing the hope for a future redeemer figure, the messiah of the end time. We find that concept develop in the literature that was written during the gap years in between the Old and the New Testament.
There are no texts in the Old Testament that speak of a future messianic
figure of the end time. (Henze, pages 58-59)
i will appreciate corrections and criticisms of my draft notes on the subject of "messiah".. it will not surprise anyone that the material is not simplistic nor emotive.. https://jwstudies.com/messiahs_emerged__preliminary_draft_.pdf.
thanks,.
doug.
I will appreciate corrections and criticisms of my draft notes on the subject of "Messiah".
It will not surprise anyone that the material is not simplistic nor emotive.
https://jwstudies.com/MESSIAHS_EMERGED__Preliminary_Draft_.pdf
Thanks,
Doug
"a new analysis of 1st temple-era artifacts, magnetized when babylonians torched the city, provides a way to chart the geomagnetic field – physics’ holy grail – and maybe save earth".
https://www.timesofisrael.com/burnt-remains-of-586-bce-destruction-of-jerusalem-help-map-physics-holy-grail/?utm_source=the+daily+edition&utm_campaign=daily-edition-2020-08-09&utm_medium=email#comments.
According to the Bible, Jerusalem fell in the 5th month (August) whereas the WTS marks the start of their 2520 years two months later, in the 7th month (October).
"a new analysis of 1st temple-era artifacts, magnetized when babylonians torched the city, provides a way to chart the geomagnetic field – physics’ holy grail – and maybe save earth".
https://www.timesofisrael.com/burnt-remains-of-586-bce-destruction-of-jerusalem-help-map-physics-holy-grail/?utm_source=the+daily+edition&utm_campaign=daily-edition-2020-08-09&utm_medium=email#comments.
"A new analysis of 1st Temple-era artifacts, magnetized when Babylonians torched the city, provides a way to chart the geomagnetic field – physics’ Holy Grail – and maybe save Earth"
it is illogical to say that “jesus was anointed as christ”.
that’s like saying that “jesus was anointed as anointed”.
the question that needs to be asked is: “what was jesus anointed as?”.
Godbeliever,
The passage at Isaiah 61/Luke 4 speaks of features of the anointing that would be associated with the imminent final eschatological divine intrusion into human affairs. It was not an appointing to become the leader of the religious community or of the royal household. The anointing of people such as David or of the High priest are irrelevant.
Eschatology speaks in terms of release from oppression, restoration of sight, and so forth. Jesus' resurrection was a sign that the final eschatological moment had arrived. His miracles were signs of the Last Days. Jesus had seen the evil spirits evicted from heaven.
It's all mystical and the roles of Pesher and of Midrash are pertinent here. The context of Isaiah 61 is the neo-Babylonian captivity and exile, and it was addressing that situation. Analyse the passage solely in its original context
Psalm 2 is saying that the Israelite nation was already God's Son and that their king was enthroned. Once more the role of Pesher comes into play. Read it literally in its own immediate context, for that was how it was written.
Doug
hi,.
recent brief comments i made over a range of subjects.. https://jwstudies.com/doug_s_answers_at_quora__1_.pdf .
doug.
Hi,
Recent brief comments I made over a range of subjects.
https://jwstudies.com/Doug_s_answers_at_Quora__1_.pdf
Doug
it is illogical to say that “jesus was anointed as christ”.
that’s like saying that “jesus was anointed as anointed”.
the question that needs to be asked is: “what was jesus anointed as?”.
A most valuable book:
https://eclass.uoa.gr/modules/document/file.php/THEOL264/charlesworth%20messiah.pdf
Doug
it is illogical to say that “jesus was anointed as christ”.
that’s like saying that “jesus was anointed as anointed”.
the question that needs to be asked is: “what was jesus anointed as?”.
It is illogical to say that “Jesus was anointed as Christ”. That’s like saying that “Jesus was anointed as anointed”. It says nothing. The question that needs to be asked is: “What was Jesus anointed as?”
Anointing in the Hebrew literature (the Christian “Old Testament”) referred to becoming a Priest or a King. If that had been the understanding of the multitude in Jesus’ time, it would be seen as a threat to the Saducees on the one hand and to Rome on the other. Hence Jesus would not want his disciples to advertise that claim.
However, in the Jewish literature from the 3rd or 2nd century on, the concept of Messiah took on an apocalyptic eschatological meaning. This Messiah took on a transcendental supernatural dimension that fought, not against mortal enemies such as Assyria, Babylon, Persia, or Greece, but against powers in heaven, where war was raging. This supernatural dimension was responsible for the Dead Sea communities and similar last-day movements, including John the Baptist’s, which Jesus joined through his baptism.
Jesus is reported to be expecting the imminent final intrusion by God and he expected this Kingdom would be set up within the lifetime of his own generation. He already saw warring evil forces falling from heaven. His resurrection showed that this last day had started to arrive.
Thus
to understand the anointing of Jesus requires understanding the Jews’
expectations that developed from the 3rd/2nd centuries, including in Daniel,
Enoch, Jubilees, the Dead Sea scrolls, and so forth. This Jesus Messiah was
appointed to the supernatural priesthood and kingship through a spiritual anointing
(chrio).
paragraph 8 dealing with who is the anglo-american power -- they note different images- feet of clay, 7 headed beast which has a 8th head arise, and so on.
the last image is of the "false prophet- indicating this is another aspect of the anglo american image quoting revelation 19:20 and saying the wild beast and the false prophet are one in the same -(i see the as separate entities) -- a/a dual world power.
which will be destroyed... .
When the Book of Daniel was composed in 164 BCE it was addressing their local situation. The "King of the North" related to the Seleucid Empire and the "King of the South" referred to the Ptolemaic Empire.
Not only did the writers' expectations fail, this was just one of a series of historical mistakes and errors in their book. The main issue for the writers was to give comfort to their community during the oppression they were experiencing, so any invented story that achieved this (for example, chapter 4) was good enough.
In every age since then, there have been people stirred up into a frenzy, saying that these statements were predictions that specifically referred to their own time. Even the writers of the Gospels got caught up and put their ideas onto Jesus' lips.
Relax, folks. Learn history's lesson: there will always be people who take advantage of the gullible for their own desire to control others. Ignore them.
Doug
